Who We Are
No Money For Lawyer
6 things we can do
Results and Overview
Bottom Line
The Apprehension
Initial Paperwork
Where to stick CAS material
The first court appearance
First Court Warning
The end result First court
The Temporary Care Motion
Why CAS has an edge
What the Edge Means
Access During Adjournments
Other points about access
Access /Access /Better Access
General Rules for Access.
Absolute Rules of Access
Hidden agenda of Judges
Minding the Mouth
How Society Builds a Case
The Strategy of Access
14 questions for you
Attitude Adjustment
8 ways to Help Yourself
5 Ways to Hurt Yourself
CAS Workers
CAS Lawyers
Who we are
Phone us at 519-256-9500 No Money For Lawyer
If you do not have the funds for a lawyer, and can meet their financial requirements,the Legal Aid Plan of Ontario will pay for your lawyer.
For the sake of your kids get Legal Aid and get the advice.
Every Lawyer at Pearce, Ducharme and Associates accepts legal aid certificates.
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6 Things We Can Do For You The most important thing for our clients is to have their children returned. #1. Our lawyers will work hard on your behalf.#2. We will tell you when your best interests involve negotiation not confrontation.#3. we will advise you of problems in your approach and offer concrete suggestions.#4. we will advise you of problems in your case and offer remedies.#5. When the Society is wrong, and negotiations fail, we will put your side before the Judge as soon as possible.#6. We will bring a motion to have a lawyer appointed for your children (Ontario Child’s Counsel or O.C.L.) so the judge can hear what your children want. What do they think should happen in their lives. Important Note: Before you sign that document to get your kids back, talk to a lawyer with experience in this area of the law. Phone us at 519 256 9500 BACK TO TOP.
Results and Overview
For years, the Children’s Aid Society has taken thousands of children into their care.They have saved many lives.But the Society has also produced more than a few psychotics among the kids in their care. But it is, when all is said and done, a damn crappy job, on a regular basis.And it produces a mind set that they are always right and you are always wrong..Some workers get to thinking that they are perfect.Not so.Too many mistakes are made with too many children’s lives. Many of the judges do not have the background or the time to deal with these issues. On appeal, some courts do not understand the dynamics of Children’s Aid cases, if only because they see so few of them.
Bottom Line
You need a lawyer on your side. Someone who knows what a court is looking for.You need someone in your corner.
Let us represent you. Phone us at 519-256-9500
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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The Apprehension
CAS cases often start with an “apprehension”. This term is used when the CAS takes children into their “care”.Parents tend to think of this conduct in terms of a kidnaping or abduction.A word of caution here. Do not use the terms kidnaping or abduction or similar ones in court. It serves no useful purpose and can alienate a judge. The presiding Justice will understand the issues without hyperbole.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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The Initial Paperwork Before your first court appearance, you will probably be served with the Society’s paperwork. It is usually extensive. Sometimes you receive the paperwork the day before the first court date.Perhaps you received it a few minutes before court.BE ADVISEDThe judge knows that you haven’t had time to hire a lawyeror prepare your responding material at this point.The judge will not make any long term decisions at this pointuntil you have had an opportunity to prepare and present your case.
Where to stick CAS material when you get it:
#1. Copy it.Save a clean, unmarked copy for your lawyer.Start to make notes on your copy about your version of things. These notes will allow your lawyer to prepare material faster.#2. Go to Legal Aid as soon as possible. Take your copy to legal aid. They may want to refer to it. Their address and phone number is in the phone book;
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
Let us represent you.
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The First Court Appearance
Always attend court on the first appearance, It tells the whole world that you care for these childrenand judges always make a note of who is in court.
First Court Warning
Think about this: at the first court appearance the court has the CASmaterial in front of him or her, and nothing else.The Society’s material will be filled with all kinds of real or suspected things, usually terrible allegations.
In short, the court at this point will only have one side of the story.The court knows nothing about you or your children or any problems you may have.Do not think that you or your lawyer can “tell” the court anything that will get your children returned to you at this first appearance.It rarely happens.Judges are firm on this. The judge will want a comprehensiveresponse from you before even considering a return. A date will be set for filing papers and for argument.
The end result of the First court dateThe only thing you get, in most cases at the first court date is a future court date to argue about the temporary care of your children. The children will be placed in the care of the Society until the argument date.Unfair? Perhaps but this is the way it will be.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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The Temporary Care Motion
This is the court hearing that will decide what happens to your children until the matter goes to trial, if it is not resolved.The judge will have read the CAS affidavit material The judge will have read your affidavit materialIn fact, the judge will have read all the material filed or will do so before a decision is given, unless the parties agree and consent to an order.But the chances of you prevailing at this point are still slim.
Why CAS has an edge.Usually, at this stage, your material will differ greatly from the Society’s material.The judge will assume that the Society has no axe to grind and willbe inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Usually.And, because this is argument based on affidavits i.e. pieces of paper,you will probably not be allowed to speak.So, the judge will not have had a full opportunity to hear you and assess how sincere and truthful you are. You do usually not get that opportunity until trial.
What the Edge MeansIt means you need a lawyer who knows whether you should be negotiating or patching up your case, or taking parenting courses or several other options.You will recall that the goal is to have your children returned and sometimesthis involves eating crow and even modifying behaviour. This issue should be addressed before the positions harden.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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Access During Adjournments
As indicated the children will remain in care while waiting for the motion to argue temporary care. But what about access.Many parents are so angry about the children remaining in care that the shoot themselves in the foot at this point.You will possibly be offered supervised access at the Children’s Aid building, in the discretion of the Society.You may be angry at this.Think about it. This is an opportunity to help your children and your case.You must control your anger and obtain the best possible access from the court. The case is no longer only about your rights. Your children will be hurting as well.Please note:
1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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Other Points About Access
You or your lawyer should push for specified access, for example Tuesday and Thursday from 5-7pm, or whatever. Push for access that you can manage, perhaps around your work schedule but push to have it put in a court order and ask for as much as possible. If you agree to let the kids stay in care at this point, your lawyer can probably negotiate better accesswith the Society. This may result in the children being returned to your care sooner than with any other strategy.
Access /Access /Better AccessYou can build access into more access and more access intobetter access and perhaps build it into the return of your child.This sort of thing is what your lawyer will be negotiating for you.But you must take the anger out of the situation for the good of your child.On occasion, a judge will order specified access, to be expanded in the discretionof the Society. This might be a good order for you, if you have a worker you can get along with. It means the access can be increased without a return to court to vary the order.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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General Rules for Access.A parent is usually better served if the access is set out in a court order. A parent is usually better served if the access is as frequent as possible even if supervised at the Society.A parent is usually better served by missing no access visits during any adjournment. This is damn important.If a parent misses an access visit, the court may be advised of this fact.If a parent misbehaves during an access visit, the court may be advised of this fact.
Absolute Rules of Access Do not talk about the court case or the workers during access visits. Do not complain about the Society or a worker during access visits.Note:If there are no problems during access, a judge in the future will consider changing the court order and expanding the access.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
Let us represent you.
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The Hidden Agenda of Judges
Judges are trained to be objective and strive to remain so.But the longer a judge sits as a judge, hearing messy CAS cases, the greater the chances of that judge making an error. At some point, the judge will return a child to parents who have presented themselves well, but who have problems. A tragedy will ensure. Perhaps a child will die or be seriously maimed at the hands of this parent.
That Judge will have to live with the fact that he or she returned a child and the child suffered grievous harm.That decision may shape his or her decisions in the years to come, whether intentionally or not. If a judge makes a mistake in a CAS case,the downside to a child is horrendous.And of course, even the most incompetent of Societies usually manages to keep the children alive.This is a fact of life that parents should consider when engaging in warfare with the Society.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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Minding the Mouth
How much do you want your children returned?You should be using your mouth to give the worker a comfort level with you.If you criticize the worker or alienate her, your children will suffer.If you call the Society and complain about her, it will go in the file andshe will find out.If you complain to her supervisor or ask to have a new worker,it will get back to her ANDIt will make it that much hard for your lawyer to negotiate your child back.The worker has an unbelievable amount of say in what happens to your child.How badly do you want your children returned?The best lawyer in the world could not get your children back without you being on board on this issue. Build bridges not walls and help your lawyer as they try to help you.One last time:How badly do you want your children returned?
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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How the Society Builds Their Case
CAS workers write down everything. You and your spouse may not capable of writing a letter to Santa. Long before the Society is seeking wardship, the society worker enters your home and offers friendly advice and occasionally funds to solve short term problems.:HELLO?When the money is accepted, the worker may note: “cannot budget properly”.When you let them into your home on short notice and the house is a mess, the worker may note: “poor housekeeping skills”. When you yell at your child for dumping cereal on her sister’s head, the worker may note: “parenting skills suspect”. If you ignore one of your children during the meeting, the notation may be: “does not interact with child x ..suspect a poor bond.“
This is the way it goes. This is how society cases are built. They are built by CAS workers making notes. The notes may not be made at the time of the incident but they are usually made while the incidents are fresh in the worker’s mind.Workers may not accumulate this file information with any nefarious plan in mind.They simply know that this information may assist them in the future and that it is part of their job.
The case against you is in the works, being built by the worker, sentence by sentence, block by block.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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The Strategy of Access
Access visits are a key part of the strategy of a CAS case. They are, damn important.The Society makes notes on every access visit. If you are irregular in access visits, it will be noted. The workers also note how the access visits proceed. Are there parenting problems..do you hug the kids. Is there appropriate interaction. “Hugging” is allowed and expected. Screaming....is not. Criticism of the Prime Minister is tolerated. Criticism of the Society at access visits will be noted and will hurt you. This demonstrates that you cannot work with the Society and it is something a judge will surely take note of.Please... do not think that you will help you case by surreptitiously taping or filming access visits. Some would suggest that you use this energy and skillmore productively.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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14 Questions for You
When you have had no previous Society involvement and theSociety wants to be involved with you, what should you do. Should you co-operate with them or “bar” the door? What are the pros and cons of this important decision.A few basic questions you should ask yourself (and tell your lawyer about). 1. What sort of behaviour are we talking about. 2. Have the teachers indicated any problems with the children. 3. Have the children been acting out at home. 4. Have the police called them about any problems. 5. Any allegations about sexual or physical abuse? 6. How much do you and your spouse drink (you may substitute smoke dope or do drugs for this word and re-ask the question). 7. Is your home clean and tidy. 8. Has the Society taken or tried to take pictures of your home. 9. How well are your kids dressed. 10. Do the kids teachers think they dress improperly 11. Do the kids teachers think your kids smell. 12. Do the teachers think the kids are clean and well cared for. 13. Are there any behavior problems at day care? 14. If the children have behavioral problems, are there professionals involved with the family.
This canvasses the sort of questions you should ask yourself before answering. If you present well and the answers to the above questions are “no concerns”, you may wish to write the Society and “decline” their assistance at present. But fix whatever problems the society had concerns about and do not talk to the Society without your lawyer.If your ‘bill of health’ is not so clean, you should co-operate with the workers and you should prepare for trial (this is not a joke or a misprint). Do not take CAS involvement lightly. Start to clean up your act immediately.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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Attitude Adjustment
Most clients of the Society clients were born with attitude. They hate the Society and they hate the worker beyond words. If this describes you or your spouse, kiss the kids good bye unless you can radically adjust your attitude.This bad attitude works against you on every level. If you want to keep your kids without proceeding to trial, you must follow, at a minimum, these eight simple rules:
8 Ways to Help Yourself
#1. Co-operate with the society.#2. Make friends with the worker. #3. You are not to ask for a new worker.#4. You are definitely not to complain about the worker to her supervisor. #5. You want the bad notes going into the file to cease immediately. #6. Sign up for every course that has been recommended by the society.#7. Attend every session of all courses and, most important....#8.You will be damn happy about the courses, the society, the worker, when asked.
If you are thinking: “I don’t want to suck up to them”, The real issue is: “how much do you love your children and how badly do you want to keep them.” Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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5 Ways to Hurt Yourself
#1. Keep your residence like a pig sty. What does the worker see when she visits your home?Often, the concerns of the worker may start with something as basic as living arrangements. Occasionally, the homes will be filthy and cluttered, beyond belief. Is this your problem?In most cities there are organizations that will tackle this sort of problem at no charge. Try the Salvation Army. The Salvation Army targets their services at the same basic group of people as the Society does. The Salvation Army has no gag reflex and no burning agenda contrary to your interest. They will sometimes get involved. Get the home cleaned up. Get some basic instructions from the Sally Anne on keeping it clean. See that you keep Lysol or Pine-sol on hand. The house should not only be clean but smell clean when the worker comes calling.
#2. Make the smell of cooking odours knock the worker down.Are you a first generation immigrant? You may have cooking or cultural inputs that affect the odour of the home. Does your home smell ‘non-western’ to a young (read inexperienced) worker? Take care to explain that these cooking odours or perfumes are common to your culture.The point is not to educate the worker in your culture; the point is to help you win the worker over to your side.
#3. Let your children sleep on the floor Is there adequate bedding for the kids. There are community groups that will help with this and with books and toys. And there are all sorts of places that used furniture can be had. You must deal with this issue. If the Society has placed photos of your residence before the court, you must put the “after” pictures before the court as well through your lawyer.It is not fatal to your case and demonstrates that can take instruction.
#4. Make sure your kids smell Poverty smells, but that is no excuse.A fair number of society clients smell. Don’t assume that your house doesn’t. Don’t ignore the smell issue.It can be damn important. The first thing you should do when CAS starts poking around is to improve the smell with pine-sol or some disinfectant.Every time the worker deals with your client, they smell the same smell you do. And you have to know that they are subconsciously influenced by it.And make sure the kids clothes smell fresh.
#5. Keep your children dirtyGet those kids clean up and properly clothed. Get a church group to help with the clothes. If you plan to argue with the Society, you must get your own support group. Know the church groups who are active in this area. They may have a religious agenda but they are far less intrusive than the Society. Getting your children to look presentable is often a chore but presentable kids are important in swinging the worker over to your side. Shop the Sally Anne and Thrift stores.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
Let us represent you.
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CAS Workers
We have met many workers who deserve medals for the wonders that they have wrought. When a good worker throws herself (most workers are women) into a case, she can occasionally turn an entire family around. And this is no mean feat. However, not all workers are upstanding or dedicated. To someit is just a job and you will occasionally meet some workers, but not many,who will “adjust” their court testimony to advance the society’s casefor a variety of reasons.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at the first possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. If your children are important to you, please retain the services of an experienced lawyer as soon as possible.
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CAS Lawyers
As for the lawyers who normally represent the Society, We have found them to be above board, honest and diligent. But not, as a general rule, sympathetic. For the most part, they are well paid and focused. If they make promises to you, they are very likely to keep those promises.Of course, they work for, and take instructions from, the Society.
Please note: 1. if you are a parent in a court case against Children’s Aid Society, we strongly recommend that you retain a lawyer to represent you at thefirst possible opportunity;2. this note is designed only to acquaint parents with a few (and only a few) of the steps and issues in Children’s Aid cases. It is not intended as legal advice on any specific case. Once again, please retain the services of a lawyer as soon as possible. Let us represent you.
Saying among old lawyers:“Usually, the easiest way to get along with the society,is to do what they want.” (anon.)
